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*Sigh* [Apr. 5th, 2006|07:57 pm]
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Cho hate makes me sad. :P How can someone say they're open-minded while they bash Cho, saying that she's a whiny stereotypical teenage girl and drama queen?

I'm really trying to understand it...
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 03:05 am (UTC)
Where is the Cho-hate?

Cho-hate : jadeites_lady :: Ron-hate : smammers
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 03:08 am (UTC)
Just an app from HE sorting... (and one girl from Slytherin who's a DE shopowner too)...
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 03:09 am (UTC)
Don't forget... Ginny-hate: sevarem
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 03:28 am (UTC)
Ah, yes.

I hate the hate! I guess I can see the good in almost anyone... it was so hard for me to come up with a least favorite character when I applied. I ended up choosing Barty Crouch, Jr. and still feeling like a cop-out.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 04:02 am (UTC)
My cop-out was Dolores Umbridge. ;) Although now, I might put Petunia Dursley (since we're not supposed to pick Umbridge, Voldemort, or any of the Death Eaters). It's hard for me too, because I try to think 'why' they do the things they do. And when I understand 'why', I don't hate/dislike them anymore.
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 04:05 am (UTC)
Yup. Exactly. I can find empathy for just about any character, provided I have enough information. Except for Umbridge, who I think is a sadistic twat no matter what.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 04:11 am (UTC)
She was a misunderstood abused child ;) No, wait.. that was Snape. Nevermind. ;) Umbridge is easy to hate. Voldemort - I actually don't hate him. Maybe... Peter Pettigrew? It's hard to find any redeeming qualities in him.
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 04:31 am (UTC)
Maybe Umbridge has a vendetta against students similar to Filch's. Perhaps she's not a very skilled witch. Or maybe she's in love with ol' Fudgeykins and was trying really, really hard to impress him. ;)

I think Peter's supposed to be an example of what Neville could have been. They were both shy, unconfident boys who hung around more popular, talented, boys... only Peter wussed out and Neville stuck it out. I think the reason I can't hate Peter is that I get the feeling he didn't want to rat out his friends. He didn't actively seek out Voldemort, that would be too risky and bold an action for him... I think it's more likely that Voldemort sought him out and scared him into telling. And after that, he probably stayed with Voldemort for the purposes of protections. I kind of feel bad for him.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 01:07 pm (UTC)
That's a different approach to Peter; I think a lot of apps put Peter as their least favorite (him or Hagrid or Hagrid's brother -whose name escapes me now).
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 02:19 pm (UTC)
Grawp, which constantly gets misspelled as Gwarp and drives me nuts. Don't forget Ginny and Percy, who suffer quite a lot of abuse.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 03:47 pm (UTC)
I did like one app's analysis for fave character Percy (I think it was 1-2 sortings ago). It was nicely written :D Made me like Percy more. (I don't think I really 'hated' him either to begin with.)
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-04-07 12:44 am (UTC)
Wait, what?! Why am I listed as a Ginny hater?
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-07 02:57 am (UTC)
no, it's you hate Ginny-hate. see above. she has me listed as Cho-hate and herself as Ron-hate.
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-07 02:57 am (UTC)
Nonono! You hate Ginny-hate just as we hate Cho-hate and Ron-hate.
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[User Picture]From: iateaburgerrrrr
2006-04-06 03:38 am (UTC)
You know, at one point, I put that I hated Cho in one of those sorting applications. But then-- I guess, when I started to RP her, I felt quite differently. People shouldn't call her annoying -- it's super closed-minded, and they don't realize that if their boyfriends died, they'd be wrecks. They'd try to move on (emphasis on try), and live their lives, but there'd always be something missing, you know?

I have an essay on the weird thing that is Cho-hate. I'll look up the link.

...Also, starting to read the fic!!! :)
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 03:49 am (UTC)
Ditto. Everyone's like, "Yeah yeah, her boyfriend died half a year ago, pull yourself together woman! I wouldn't be a weepy mess."
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 04:08 am (UTC)
And it's sad that it's mainly girls doing the hating.
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 04:25 am (UTC)
Don't you know girls who cry are weak? Especially girls who cry over boys.

I honestly can't stand that brand of feminism. I think it's ridiculous to propose that because a woman shows emotion, falls in love, or depends on a man to any degree that she is weak. I debated this with a lot of HE members awhile back when somebody started a discussion on the lack of "strong" women in the series.
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[User Picture]From: cheshire23
2006-04-13 07:41 pm (UTC)
I honestly can't stand that brand of feminism.

WORD. It's not good for anyone, male OR female, to be that level of unemotional. I've seen it screw a lot of people up. :/
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[User Picture]From: unagieater
2006-04-06 06:41 am (UTC)
hahahaha i was totally thinking that too when i read that app. btw, congrats on winning for your drabble! i actually had a feeling it was you just because it was CC. ;)
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 01:12 pm (UTC)
lol - I was going to vote 'squib' but I know I can't vote that just because, so I voted slytherin since they seem to want her. I think 'open-minded' was the wrong choice of words; she says she's liberal - so she should've/could've just used that word, liberal rather than open-minded (since "liberal" is more of a reflection of choices/morals rather than "open-minded" which reflects more tolerance and understanding).

And... THANKS! But it wasn't CC! ;) It was Cedric and... Luna... er.. Penelope... er.. I said 'lovely eagle' not 'Cho'. ;) Just kidding :) I think I'll try to write non-CC stuff next, because I think people's opinions about certain characters (e.g. Cho-hate) will reflect in their voting ;P
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-06 02:20 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I hate being a Hufflepuff, because even when I really, really, want to Squib someone over something trivial or arbitrary, I just can't let myself do it.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 03:44 pm (UTC)
sometimes, I have squib in my mind and then I look at all the votes -especially those from the members I've friended (and obviously have a sort of respect/kinship with) and see how you all vote - and then I look back at the app and try to see something other than the natural urge to squib for differences of opinion.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-04-07 12:48 am (UTC)
The trick is to vote *before* you look at the votes of others. That way, your vote is honest and not influenced by everyone else. I love my h_e friends and so, yes, I vote before I see what they're up to.

And smammers, I love being a Hufflepuff and I still vote squib. Gives a nice kick in the crotch to all those "Hufflepuffs are pushovers" stereotype. "Oh, yeah? If I was such a pushover, would I be squibbing you right now?"
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[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-04-07 02:58 am (UTC)
I do get a kick out of doing that every so often, but the application has to be pretty bad.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-07 03:01 am (UTC)
The "squib" part I'm talking about is when I don't like their Cho-hate answer (or I don't agree with their favorite and least favorite character). Usually, I have to skip that answer and look at the rest of the app to put it in perspective.
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[User Picture]From: ladybluestar
2006-04-06 12:30 pm (UTC)
I can definitely see the Hufflepuff in you...

I think that a lot of Cho hate comes from her failed relationship with Harry, that they perhaps see her as keeping his focus from who he "should" be with. I, myself, was frustrated with her throughout that book, as the relationship was so unhealthy to both of them. However, I think that the depth of her feeling for Cedric certainly makes her a noteworthy character. Also, I don't think that it helps that Jo simply dropped her in canon.

As for Ginny hate...I'm going to stay away from that one.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 01:19 pm (UTC)
Oh, I agree (with the unhealthy relationship - Harry being the last person to see Cedric alive, but pines for the deceased's girlfriend who's still coming to grips with everything). In the beginning, I was rooting for them just because and I didn't know the extent of Cho's previous relationship with Cedric. When I read the book and came to part where she asks about Cedric, I was taken aback. Of course, later, I realized there must have been a backstory to all of it - and that's where lovely fanfic comes in to play.

Me--Hufflepuff? ;) well... I wish the world was fair.. but life isn't fair, and I know that, but it doesn't stop me from wishing it! ;)
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[User Picture]From: xuvious
2006-04-06 02:13 pm (UTC)
Actually, I had the very same opinion about Cho when OotP was fresh. After joining H_E, I got to hear more opinions and I've sort of become open-minded regarding this. People can be very persuasive. ;P
Now I'm at a point where I don't hate anyone except maybe Peter, Umbridge etc.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-04-06 03:40 pm (UTC)
Maybe I'm strange then. When I read it for the first time, I was more along the lines going 'oh, well. Harry/Cho didn't work. next?" Cho didn't register on my radar; then again, since most everything is seen through Harry's POV, no one outside of the main trio and the Weasleys ever triggered any sort of response from me. I think it was fandom that made me appreciate every character - especially all the one-dimensional sub-characters. And I guess I have Cho-hate to thank for turning me into a Cho-sympathizer.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-04-07 12:53 am (UTC)
Well, we've had this conversation, but female character hate makes me sad. It's almost always perpetuated by female fans and I fail to understand why. A lot of times, I think it's fueled by jealousy(Ginny is popular and she dared date a boy before Harry) or double standard(Ginny's such a slut. She's been interested in boys other than Harry) or ridiculous fanon ideas that have no basis whatsoever in canon(Ginny gets in the way of the WUV that Harry harbors for Draco). It makes me sad and it makes me angry.

I also hate the ridiculous idea that somehow, female characters being emotional makes them weak. How dare they have normal human emotions such as sadness, depression or jealousy. How dare Hermione cry over Ron. Obviously, it makes her a weak, pathetic character, because real women never, ever cry over something as silly and meaningless as their relationships with others.

The hyprocrisy makes me sick.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-04-07 02:17 pm (UTC)
What also irks me is a well thought out post, ended by a st00pid mispelling. Hee... hyprocrisy...

*sigh*
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