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My singular obsession [Mar. 8th, 2006|07:12 pm]
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I went into this briefly on quiet_charm (like the plug, calledinvain? ;) ) but since sevarem asked, I'm posting how I was drawn into the beautiful rare ship of Cedric and Cho.

(Ok, the tag "How I love them... let me count the ways..." is a bit of an exaggeration, but I couldn't think of a snappy phrase.)

Before I start with Cedric and Cho, let me say...

On the rare pairings side (pre-CC), I actually didn't have a favorite. I liked Harry and Hermione's friendship/relationship and am forced learning to like (it's growing on me) the Ron/Hermione, and Harry/Ginny ships. The Weasley twins always cracked me up; so if anything, I like the Fred/Angelina ship too. I am not too fond of teacher/student ships or the older-generation(e.g.teachers/parents) ships or slash pairings, but I've read a few fics that were well-written, so I don't mind them (again, they're just not my favorite).

Onto Cedric and Cho...

Let me first say, I watched the first three movies before I read the books. And I read the books because I wanted to know what all the hype was about. I started with GoF because I was curious how the movie would turn out, went to OoTP, then HBP, then back-tracked to the first three to compare them against their movie counterparts.

It started with Cho. I admit - I was not a fan of book!Cho. To be honest, neither book!Cho nor book!Cedric left a lasting impression on me. I saw them as one-dimensional background characters. I did not cry when Cedric died; in the book, to me, it was 'next chapter. wormtail zaps cedric. cedric dead. now onto harry.' (correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't read the book in over a year? but I think his death was the first one or maybe two paragraphs of the beginning of the chapter.) So, I was like - 'ok, next?' As for book!Cho, she flickers in for two sentences than leaves. Of course, she had more to do in OoTP, but it was disconcerting to me. Me: 'Oh, she's crying? Why is she crying? Oh! It's because of Cedric? Hmm.. what page am I at? what's the timeline here? Is it January and she's still crying? Oh! Why is she asking Harry about him?' So... basically, I had no feelings for either character.

Then, my mother tells me a cute Chinese girl was chosen to play Cho. 'Oh! Really? Cool.' So, I looked up Katie, as well as started to look for Cho articles/fanfics on the internet. Now, here is the 'strange' thing... It was actually the Cho-haters who made me start to like her.

(No, I don't mind if you "hate" her because she cried a lot or dated Harry when she wasn't over Cedric; I only minded the Cho-hater comments that called her a 'ho/whore/slut' who 'stole Harry's mouth virginity' who used Harry because she only wanted to date popular guys, blah blah blah -- and by extension those Cho-haters who are also Katie-haters merely because they are jealous she will kiss Daniel in the next film.)

I couldn't (can't) understand those haters. She's a one-dimensional character for goodness sake! Give Harry SOME credit - do you think he has bad taste? She was nice, she was pretty, she was 'popular', she had to be smart to be in Ravenclaw. She didn't wear a 'Harry Potter stinks!' button; she didn't laugh at him. /gets off soapbox.

Back to CC... so I started empathizing with Cho... and by extension, I started to like Cedric. He must have been special to Cho if Cho kept crying for him. I started looking for fanfics/fanart revolving around the couple... I wanted to know the story behind the story. Of course, that is up to the writer's imagination. (And this is the time that GoF came out, and the actors do make a beautiful couple on-screen and off.)

To me, they are an idealistic couple. Both 'handsome/beautiful', smart, athletic, friendly/nice (that is, neither of them were mean to Harry). Cedric chose her for his second task; that must mean he cares about her too. They represent the 'first love' ideal, because when you fall in love for the first time, you think it's forever. You put your whole heart into it.

Side note: I think I have a thing for tragic love (see my past obsession with Sailor Moon's Inner Senshi/Shitennou).

As for Draco/Cho, I stumbled upon that even-rarer-ship while I was searching for Cho articles/fics. I crossed into and read halrloprillalar's fic because it dealt with Cho moving on after Cedric's death. It has a bit Harry/Draco in it (which I didn't mind) and it was nicely written. As Ravenclaws are the only ones who will consider dating Slytherins (besides other Slytherins), I thought it might fit. Despite the fact that he's in every book, Draco remains one-dimensional. There might be layers to his personality (a fanfic writer's dream/imagination). I wouldn't go for the Cho-hates-Harry-so-dates-Draco-for-revenge story, but some writers (I think I found a few fics on ff.net) have other ideas that seem plausible, or are just AU and nicely done.


[User Picture]From: smammers
2006-03-09 05:02 am (UTC)
I have to say, I'm a hardcore R/Hr shipper and a little part of me still gets the urge to start arguing with anyone who admits to liking H/Hr.

I always thought Cho/Cedric was cute, but was never too interested in it. I suppose since they're both minor characters, your enjoyment of the ship would depend of what authors can put into their fics, no?

I'm always shocked when people tell me they've read the books out of order. EEP. I'm just anal and can't imagine reading any series out of order. What's worse is skipping books -- I know a girl who skipped OotP and went on to HBP!

Out of cuiosity, as someone who saw the movies before reading the books, which do you like better? Do you find that the movies shape your view of the books? My best friend didn't read the books until after she saw the first movie, but she's pretty hardcore on canon these days.

Finally: I don't think Cho/Draco is a ship I've ever read. I've read fics with a whoooole lot of weird pairings, but I've seen a lot more Cho/any other female than Cho with men. Gotta love that femmeslash. XD
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-09 05:17 am (UTC)
I like(d) H/Hr because Hermione is more developed as a character than Ginny. But I understand the angle JKR is going with. It's like Star Wars - Luke / Leia / Han. With Harry=Luke, Leia=Hermione, Han=Ron. Not necessarily personality-wise, but in the sense that the Harry/Hermione bond is platonic (JKR won't let it get more than platonic) and that Hermione/Ron is the romance.

I suppose my enjoyment of the CC ship revolves around the fact that they are minor characters. I can develop them as I'd wish they were developed ;) I can play around more with their backgrounds than say with any of the major characters. Besides, it doesn't hurt that the actors are cute together.

And I think it is because I'm not too into the Harry/Cho ship. I wish they would've gotten to know each other, but since their ship has sunk, and JKR wants the true ship to be Harry/Ginny, I try to find an alternate ship for Cho. (yeah, I've seen Cho/Ginny, Cho/Hermione, and other femmeslash too) Also Cho/Oliver (not too common either), Cho/Roger (I suppose it could be okay, but I've only seen a few fics where they make Cedric gay to top it), Cho/Michael (don't know too much about Michael).
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-09 05:24 am (UTC)
Oh.. forgot to answer your question. I think comparing the movies to the books is like apples and oranges ;) I always like books better than their movie counterparts (like To Kill A Mockingbird, Lord of the Flies, etc.). I think for the most part, the movies are good with basic plot/action but if you want to dive into more complicated subplots, books are better. Generally, books are better with character development too, but with HP, as it is only Harry's POV, only certain characters seem to develop.

But I do think I like the movie Prisoner of Azkaban better than the book. (sorry!) Just because I liked how the movie had Lupin & Black on the same side (instead of each suspecting the other as the book did). And I like the fatherly role of Lupin toward Harry. Of course, I wish they would have showed all the quidditch games in the movie (that part of the book I liked ;). I'd have to go back and read PoA to see if my opinion has changed.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-09 08:10 am (UTC)
I think I like Percy/Penelope and Fred/Angelina for much the same reasons. They don't get a lot of development, so it leaves much to my imagination.

I understand disliking Cho for canon reasons, but I could never understand the "she's a bitch/slut/ho!" reactions.

I wouldn't say Harry has no taste, but I do think he liked Cho for mostly physical reasons. They hardly knew each other at that point, but it makes sense for a first crush.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-09 01:58 pm (UTC)
re: Harry - definitely. His crush was rather endearing, or at least - to me - nicer than his lust for Ginny.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-10 12:16 am (UTC)
Heeey, I didn't say that now. *points to icon* Harry/Ginny shipper.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-10 01:08 am (UTC)
oops! I think movie!Harry and movie!Ginny would be cute together... just bookwise, I wish Ginny's personality didn't change so much in HBP.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-10 04:47 am (UTC)
Because I can't find the comment, I'll put the reply here. This is where the rpg app is. Scroll to the bottom for it. If you need help with it, just let me know.

Ginny changed a lot in HBP? I thought she just grew up a bit. Do tell.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-10 02:41 pm (UTC)
I guess I always thought of her as sweet/nice, but in HBP, she started hexing people who annoyed her or argued with her. I can understand if a situation led up to it (like the Harry/Draco duel), but it seemed kind of harsh to hex someone who might have only verbally insulted her. (We all dealt with kids teasing us in school, but I don't think all of us got revenge or beat those kids up.)

This isn't to say that I hate/dislike Ginny. My like for her is growing. I just wish JKR wrote her differently though, because Ginny had so much potential. Ginny is strong-minded/strong-willed. She would have to be after what happened in her first year, where all her insecurities (which she told to Tom) were used against her. She could have been shown more as Hermione's girlfriend / gal pal / female confidante, that way she would have a bigger part in the earlier books (besides CoS) even though she is a year behind them in school. When she realized Harry liked Cho, and decided to follow Hermione's advice to move on, she started dating other boys. Maybe it's because of what happened in CoS that she didn't seem emotionally-invested in her relationships, but why would she date Michael if she thought he was a fool/idiot? And I felt sorry for Neville (I thought Ginny/Neville would be cute) and Dean (who seemed a little upset when Harry kissed Ginny). On the flip side, I thought Harry's interaction with Luna was shown better than the pre-HBP Ginny friendship.

Again, I don't hate/dislike the Harry/Ginny ship. It's one I'm getting used to. If Ginny's character was as developed as Hermione's, I think I would have loved the ship earlier.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-11 02:58 am (UTC)
Well, with Michael, Ginny didn't call him a fool until he was about to run over and blab about the DA at the breakfast table. I think that was more an annoyed reaction than anything. And she broke up with him when he turned out to be a whiny loser, so I can't say I blame her.

Why do you feel sorry for Neville and Dean? She never dated Neville; they just went to a dance together. And the relationship with Dean seemed to run its course. I do agree though that Ginny's character could have been more carefully developed over the books. I really liked her more prominent role in OotP, but it did just kind of spring from no where, didn't it?

I'm a big Harry/Ginny shipper. *points to icon* That doesn't mean I'm not enjoying your fic, which I'll try to have back to you in a few days. ;)
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-11 03:51 am (UTC)
LOL.. well, I don't want to step on your toes. I'm not an avid shipper of any of them (I'm not really an avid shipper of Harry/Hermione either; I wrote the fic more as a challenge). As I said in your journal, I tend to become singularly-obsessed (so my obsession is Cedric/Cho). Perhaps when book 7 comes out, I will fall in love with Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny (because *hopefully* JKR will flesh the relationships out).

I feel sorry for Neville because I thought the dance could be the beginning of something. He's like the underdog, clumsy, shy, awkward... but he could turn into a heartbreaker later in life. Maybe I need to read the books again - I thought Dean was upset by the display, but if he's okay with their relationship, then I have no problems. Dean's character is even less developed than Neville, but at least, he believed Harry (or opted to stay neutral) during the beginning of OoTP (compared to how Seamus acted). It just felt like he liked her more than she liked him...
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-11 04:40 am (UTC)
This is AWESOME. I think we've played comment tag more than I've ever played comment tag. We're telling stories in the comments of your lj.

I want Neville and Luna to get together. I know they won't, but they're my alternate pairing of choice.

I like Harry/Ginny A LOT, but it's okay if you don't. My toes are resilient and covered in steel! And they have funny hats.

What other pairings do you like? (Besides your awesome obsession with C/C.)

I'll give you a new icon today. *point point* Enjoy the colepuffs.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-11 04:57 am (UTC)
LOL - I know... this is the longest comment thread I think I have.

Neville and Luna would be cute together.. but then I think Luna would be cute with anyone (like Ron or Harry, even though they're spoken for). She could even go opposite with Draco because I don't think she would mind / be upset by Draco's comments (he won't be able to push her buttons like he does with the trio).

Do you like Ron/Hermione more than Harry/Ginny? or the other way around?

I thought Harry/Luna was better than Harry/Cho.

Other pairings? God... let me think and get back to you. ;)
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-11 06:06 am (UTC)
This thread is GREAT. We should probably take it to email soon though, or IM each other (purplemisochan on AIM).

The idea of Draco/Luna is FUNNY, but I don't think it'd work. I think he'd be weirded out by her. Ron/Luna is amusing too. *thinks about it* Yeah, that I'd like to see. In GoF and OotP, I was pulling for Harry/Cho to work out, but there you go.

I think I like Harry/Ginny slightly more than Ron/Hermione simply because Ron and Hermione irk me quite a bit sometimes. I just want to shake them and tell them to GET TOGETHER ALREADY! Which is why I thought Ron/Lavender was hilarious. I love the romance in the series, I really do. I'm one of the few, I know, but it greatly amuses me and it's pretty much everything I expect out of teenage romance.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-11 03:56 am (UTC)
oh, I'm working on the RPG app now. what character are you playing? I feel the hauntings of my original app process again :P
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-11 04:37 am (UTC)

Har-dee-har. In the Marauders game, I'm Ludo Bagman. He likes Quidditch and gambling and toast and Quidditch. In that order. Oh, and girls. But mostly Quidditch and gambling(and toast).

In the Trio game, I'm OMG HARRY. Yeah, that's right, I'm the angsty boy what lived a lot. I didn't expect to get the character at all, but there you go.

Who are you applying for? We can totally plan stuff out, either about toast or something more keen. It'll be fun.

I'll give you a different icon today. *points* Enjoy Percy's bedhead.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-11 05:00 am (UTC)
I'm trying out for Cho, like you said. If I get her, we could have an awkward 'hi, how are you?' conversation and maybe get to become friends. ;) I'm having her as a healer apprentice (that's what I think she'd do) so she could treat Harry's wounds or go to the Order and help with that aspect. She's not on the front line, but behind-the-scenes. If I don't get Cho, I'm going to try out for other girl characters.

Do you think I should try to apply for the Marauders game? I don't even know who I'd play.
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[User Picture]From: sevarem
2006-03-11 06:17 am (UTC)
Ooh, you playing Cho would be great! We could play some great conversations between Cho and Harry.

You should apply for the Marauders game because it will be fun. If you prefer to play female characters, here are some suggestions(based on the list):
1. Dorcas Meadows, Gryffindor, 7th year. She becomes an Auror later and is personally killed by Voldemort, which tells me she's pretty impressive.
2. Greta Catchlove, Hufflepuff, 7th year. A future charms book author.
3. Alice Longbottom. Auror and Neville's eventual mama.

There are a bunch more, but the first two are students, which might be most fun. Then you can get tangled up in wacky Marauders antics and fun romances and what-have-you.

For sample RPs... Hmm, well, hold on, I'm taking this to email.
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[User Picture]From: jadeites_lady
2006-03-11 05:57 am (UTC)
Any suggestions for a sample RP? I wrote the sample journal entry, but I'm drawing a blank for sample RP. Maybe tomorrow I'll think of something!
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